Whether it’s a statewide HR summit in Phoenix or a tight-knit executive retreat in Tucson, planners are prioritizing speakers who bring:

• Psychological safety, not just polish

• Real tools, not recycled soundbites

• Energy restoration, not performance pressure

Which is exactly why I’ve been getting calls like:

“We need someone who can hold space for hard conversations, without making it heavy.”

Burnout isn’t always loud. Sometimes it sounds like “I’m fine.”

In this week’s Leaders Who Last interview, I had the honor of speaking with Tjuana Yvonne—President of the Black HR Society and a force for workplace equity.

We dug into what burnout really looks like in 2025 (spoiler: it’s not always overwork), how power dynamics silence people, and why leaders often miss the warning signs until it’s too late.

💡 Favorite quote: “Seeing what you need to see starts with hearing what you need to be hearing.”

We also talked boundaries, AI as a burnout buffer, and how to build joy as a leadership strategy.